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Whatever else you or I have to say about the United States, one of its founding cultural values is a boundary between the military and civilian government, which extends all the way back to Washington resigning his commission before going into politics and the presidency. This is something I cherish as a citizen of this country, and when modern politics promotes the crossing or blurring of that boundary, it upsets me, not as a liberal, or someone who is opposed to militarism, but as a patriot.

Whatever purpose a French Bastille-Day style parade would serve, expression of national unity or martial pride, there is something un-American and tacky about the notion of having one here. Let the towns have parades to honor their returning veterans, and leave it at that.

Whatever grim portent a French Bastille-Day style parade would signify, the blending of partisan politics with military force, the trappings of historical fascism or totalitarianism, that sense of tacky un-American-ness hits me first and deepest. It did when 43 wore a flight suit, it did when then-candidate Dukakis rode around in a tank, it definitely would now.

There are other things a feel in particular about 45's advocacy for such a display; dread and dismay, primarily. I won't pretend that my feelings against this aren't stronger against his desire than I would for some member of my supposed team. I would trust a member of my team not be so tacky, and if they were, I would not consider them a member of my team anymore.

It's not lost on me that France is significantly to the left of the US in just about all the ways you care to measure. I don't think it's wrong for them, or any other country to have such displays if that's what they do. I think it is wrong for us, not in the sense of morals [though I have opinions on that], but in the same sense that I think taking up singing as a career, or owning an exotic bird is wrong for me. We are many things, some good, many bad, but we aren't that.

Date: 2018-02-07 07:30 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Sovay: David Owen)
From: [personal profile] sovay
This is something I cherish as a citizen of this country, and when modern politics promotes the crossing or blurring of that boundary, it upsets me, not as a liberal, or someone who is opposed to militarism, but as a patriot.

That's a good way of framing the issue, because it dodges all that disingenuous BUT DO YOU HATE OUR SOLDIER BOYS IN BLUE nonsense, and also I think true.
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...glorify your exploits, send you home a hero. You'll have parades in your honour. You can make speeches, raise money for war bonds. All you have to do is be our pal!

"What luck to be allowed to be a soldier!"

When a community celebrates the return of a son or daughter who went to fight, I think that's great. When we do our pomp and ceremony in the cemetery in Arlington, that's good too.

And for me both of those examples differ from the American military cult (which does exist in both popular culture and political rhetoric, but has traditionally not been state-supported in the way that 45 is proposing and I don't want to see it become so) because they are in their most ideal and often practiced forms about service and remembrance and recognition of loss, not the chest-swelling, dick-measuring pride that our mighty armaments and our moral superiority can wipe any other motherfuckers off the face of the planet, America fuck yeah. That's been around since before I was born, but it's really been sharpening for the last fifteen, seventeen years and has now reached the stage where if this were not a metaphor for the architecture of the republic, I'd say the house has tzaraat and call in a kohen. Maybe we should anyway.

Actually, that last sentence covers my reaction to everything he does.

I do not think that you should feel stupid. No one wants to wake up every morning racking their brain for the most morally bankrupt, globally destructive, individually cruel, and just plain offensive things that a government without regard for its people or its planet could devise to amuse and further profit themselves at the expense of the present, the future, and the memories of the past and then wait to see if they'll be enacted today. It might make you feel ahead of the eight-ball, but it would come with a high cost. It is enough to live in a dystopia without having to anticipate a worse one at every turn. I don't mean that you shouldn't be braced for it, or that you don't need to know in advance what you'll do when it comes: that's just good planning. But it's not stupid to be occasionally, even more unpleasantly surprised.
Edited (clarity) Date: 2018-02-07 09:13 pm (UTC)
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No one wants to wake up every morning racking their brain for the most morally bankrupt, globally destructive, individually cruel, and just plain offensive things that a government without regard for its people or its planet could devise to amuse and further profit themselves at the expense of the present, the future, and the memories of the past and then wait to see if they'll be enacted today.

--strong assent.

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